[欧洲新鲜事]意大利北部在超市门口排队的人群

2023年8月8日发(作者：胡立阳)

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DukeofSchoenburg

Europe

As a german iam kind of  turned on seeing this...

作为一个德国人，我喜欢看到这个...

Noctew

North Rhine-Westphalia (Germany)（德国）

As a mathematician, I am bothered by the fact that they are not optimizing area usage by using hexagonal packing.

作为一名数学家，我对他们没有使用六角密排来优化面积使用这件事感到困扰。

bxzidff

Norway（挪威）

While sad and somewhat dystopian, it is also a great example of how people can cooperate and go to great lengths to get through hardship together. Stay strong Italy.

虽然有点悲伤和违反常理，但这也是一个很好的例子，说明人们如何能够合作，并尽最大努力一起度过难关。 保持坚强，意大利。

rpkamm

England（英国）

You know the situation is very bad when Italians are queueing politely.

当意大利人都开始礼貌地排队时，情况真的很糟糕了。

superdioz

Italy（意大利）

I hope all the countries will understand it, sooner the better...

我希望所有国家都能明白这一点，越快越好...

That_crow_Lady

It's from Prato, so central Italy. But yeah, that's the situation here.

不是北部，是来自意大利中部的普拉托。 但真实情况确实如此。

zsmg

67 points·13 hours ago

Corona virus is turning Italians into Anglo-Finns. :(

冠状病毒正在把意大利人变成盎格鲁—芬兰人 :(

Fabri91

Italy

67 points·9 hours ago

As long as our food doesn't turn Anglo-Finn, it's manageable.

只要我们的食物没有变成盎格鲁-芬兰式，那就还可以接受。

sitruspuserrin

41 points·12 hours ago

Oh no!!!! If someone had told me two months ago that our national sulkiness, and our tendency to keep 2 m distance from anyone but our own children would become an international standard, I would have laughed long and heartily. This is indeed a satanic virus if it’s turning you all into Finns!

哦，不！！！如果有人在两个月前告诉我我们的民族将变得沉沉闷闷，并且除了我们的孩子，我们倾向于与任何人保持2米的距离，这还将成为一种国际标准，我会笑掉大牙。 这确实是一种撒旦病毒，如果它能把你们都变成芬兰人！

CiderDrinker

Scotland

8 points·9 hours ago

I'm wondering where northern nations developed their sense of wide personal space and general 'standoffishness'. It can't have come from nowhere. Perhaps there were epidemics in the past, which taught people to keep their distance, and that became part of the culture of subsequent generations?

我想知道北方国家的民族对广阔的个人空间和对人普遍的“冷漠”感是从哪里发展来的。不可能天生就是这样，也许是因为过去发生过流行病，这教会了人们保持距离，然后成为了后代文化的一部分？

sitruspuserrin

10 points·9 hours ago

Good points. We have very long tradition of not trusting strangers, because they have typically meant trouble (Vikings raiding furs, Swedish rule, bishops converting, Russian rule). You looked for “wood chips coming downstream” which meant there were strangers upstream building fire, and probably planning to steal your storage or people. So you keep the distance to evaluate the risk ;)

In addition it is culturally very important not to bother others, and ensure you are invited properly. The distance in buses and in public places means: I am not going to bother you, don’t be alarmed. I respect your privacy.

不错的观点。 我们对于不相信陌生人的传统已经有很长时间了，因为他们通常意味着麻烦 （维京人掠夺皮毛，瑞典统治，主教皈依，俄罗斯统治）。 如果你在下游发现木屑，这意味着有陌生人上游生火，可能在计划着偷你的仓库或人。 所以你要保持距离来评估风险 ;)

 此外，北方民族文化上非常重要的一点是不要打扰别人，除非你得到适当的邀请。公共汽车和公共场所的距离意味着：我不会打扰你的，别惊慌。 我尊重你的隐私。

FluffyBunnyOK

7 points·10 hours ago

An British queue with a Finnish modification. A thing of beauty and shows how humans can co-operate.

英国式的队形加上芬兰式的距离。 一种展示了人类是如何合作的美的东西。

This_Or-That

11 points·12 hours ago

I wish that was everywhere, all the time starting from now.

我希望从现在开始，无论何处，一直都是这样下去。

GiovaOfficial

5 points·8 hours ago

To be fair there’s no need for queues outside a supermarket in normal times

说真的在正常情况下没有必要在超市外面排队

spacents

Poland

4 points·12 hours ago

The formation reminds me of an army of clones.

这队形让我想起了一支克隆人大军。

ChaoticTransfer

17 points·15 hours ago

looks like they already have some soviet architecture to go with that as well

有苏联内味儿了

lud1120

Sweden

3 points·10 hours ago

One common enemy... Viruses don't give a shit about our ideologies, ethnicities, cultures or anything else.

 一个全世界共同的敌人... 病毒不在乎我们的意识形态、种族、文化或其他任何东西。

enador

Poland

2 points·6 hours ago

Actually it's kind of uplifting and sad at the same time, I mean the cooperation between people all over the world to fight the common existential enemy. If humanity is in danger, then not Italy, USA or China are the ones responding, it's the humanity that responds, and everything else becomes just accidentals.

事实上，这是一种振奋和悲伤混合在一起的感觉，我指的是世界各国人民之间的合作，以对抗共同的生存敌人。 如果人类处于危险之中，那么作出反应的已经不是意大利、美国或中国了，而是人类，其他都成了一种符号。

notts001

United Kingdom

2 points·2 hours ago

If this virus changes anything hopefully it's that we as a species learn that we have got to start working together. The virus doesn't care about our petty differences. It can kill any of us: rich, poor, black, white, gay straight, rightwing, leftwing, old and even in some cases the young. You cannot hide behind an imaginary line drawn on a piece of paper. You cannot build walls that stop this thing. All it takes is one infected person getting through and no country in the world can possibly stop everyone that wants to get in. The only way we can stop this happening again is by increasing cooperation particularly in healthcare. We need a more open world where people don't cover things up before they get out of control. We richer countries have got to start putting more money into the health systems of third world countries (and the USA). Because one sick person anywhere in the world can be a threat to us all. So we have got to start taking care of everyone.

如果这种病毒改变了什么，希望是我们作为一个物种学会了我们必须开始合作。 病毒不在乎我们之间最细微的差别。 它可以杀死我们中的任何一个：富人、穷人、黑人、白人、同性恋、右翼、左翼、老年人，甚至在某些情况下还有年轻人。你无处可躲。你也没办法阻止它。 它所需要的只是一个受感染的人通过检查，而世界上没有一个国家可以阻止所有进入其国境的人。 我们唯一能阻止这种情况再次发生的方法是增加合作，特别是在医疗保健方面。 我们需要一个人们在事情失控之前不会掩盖的更开放的世界。 我们富裕的国家必须开始向第三世界国家（和美国）的卫生系统投入更多的资金。 因为世界上任何一个病人都可能对我们所有人构成威胁。 所以我们得开始照顾每个人。

Jazzinarium

1 point·1 hour ago

Agreed, but it's sad that we seem to need a "common enemy" to get us all work together. Why can't we all be friends and allies at all times?

同意，但令人遗憾的是，我们似乎需要一个“共同的敌人”来使我们共同努力。 为什么我们不能一直做朋友和盟友？

UsernameSuggestion9

3 points·6 hours ago

Something something regular day at a Finnish bus stop.

这种场面我们每天都能在芬兰的公交车站看见啊

RFive

11 points·13 hours ago

This is so Dystopian and frightening! Gives me the chills!

这太可怕了！ 我鸡皮疙瘩都起来了！

christoskal

Greece

15 points·13 hours ago

Could I ask how people cooperating to overcome an issue is dystopian?

我能问一下合作解决问题的人为什么你会觉得可怕吗？

RFive

7 points·10 hours ago

Maybe because is more than what you see in the picture, a pandemic which made thousands of victims and you need social order to overcome it, and it is not something we are used to, the fear that even if you cooperate there's a chance you'll still get infected, and the fear of running out of food, and so many other factors which leads to anxiety, depression and desperation.

可能是因为我想的比你在照片里看到的更多，一种大流行病，它使成千上万的人受害，你需要社会秩序来克服它，这也不是我们习惯的，还有即使你合作也有可能被感染的恐惧，以及对食物用完的恐惧，以及许多其他因素，导致的焦虑、抑郁和绝望。

Not_Cleaver

United States of America

2 points·4 hours ago

This will be in a history book someday.

这个场面以后会放到历史书里

defrgthzjukiloaqsw

Germany

3 points·10 hours ago

What is going on where you guys live? Everytime i've been to any supermarket in the last ten days (twice) there have been only about a tenth of the normal amount of customers inside.

Why would supermarkets be crowded? Doesn't make any sense, does it? People aren't going more often to the supermarkets now than before, they go less, so there have to be less people in them.

伙计们，你们住的地方现在怎么样了？ 在过去的十天里，每次（共两次）我去超市，里面的顾客都只有正常数量的十分之一。

为什么超市会拥挤？ 这没道理啊？ 人们现在去超市的次数不比以前多了，他们去的少了，所以里面的人肯定也少。

CiderDrinker

Scotland

7 points·9 hours ago

It's not that they are more crowded, but that to maintain physical distances they are limiting the number of people in at any one time.

不是因为他们更拥挤，而是为了保持物理距离，他们一直都在限制人数。

MontagueRamblefield

Earth

-7 points·17 hours ago

How is that not dangerous?

这么做不危险吗？

christoskal

Greece

17 points·13 hours ago

If you look at the picture you'll notice that they are not close to each other.

The virus isn't magic, it needs contact.

如果你看这张照片，你会注意到他们靠得不是很近。

病毒不是魔法，它需要接触。

MontagueRamblefield

Earth

4 points·12 hours ago

It travels via droplets though, and even with safe distances those people are staying there for hours

它能通过飞沫传播，即使距离安全，这些人也会在那里呆上几个挺久的

lorem

7 points·12 hours ago

If you look closely you'll see that most of the people are wearing masks

如果你仔细观察，你会发现大多数人都戴着口罩

defrgthzjukiloaqsw

Germany

3 points·10 hours ago

Of course it is, but starving isn't fun.

确实如此，但挨饿并不好玩。

Farpafraf

Italy

1 point·11 hours ago

it is but it's still much better than everyone being in the supermarket, imho the supermakets should be open at least 18/7 and people should have turns assigned to go buy groceries.

是不够安全，但总好过所有人一拥而入，在我看来，超市应该一周七天每天开放18个小时，让大家轮流来采购。

RichardEast

-22 points·18 hours ago

I don't know if this should be applauded. That queue is basically the result of strictly limiting the number of people that can get inside the supermarket.

Now though, you force all those people outside, where they are stationary, in the cold, rain etc... and probably in closer proximity to eachother than they would be in the supermarket.

Plus, what do you do if you are essential worker? (healthcare, public services etc.) Now, you need to add an extra 30 minutes to your day to wait in a queue for groceries.

Plus, a significant % of that queuing population has no risk from the virus, or is already immune to it, yet they need to suffer the same restrictions as someone in a high risk category.

我不知道是否应该为此鼓掌。 这种排队基本上是严格限制能进入超市的人数的结果。

现在，你强迫所有的人在外面，在那里他们是静止、寒冷和淋湿的，可能比在超市更让他们彼此接近。 另外，如果你是那些必不可少没有办法停工的工人，你会怎么做？ （医疗、公共服务等） 现在，你每天需要增加额外的30分钟去排队等待购买杂货。

此外，排队人群中有很大一部分没有病毒的风险，或者已经免疫了病毒，然而他们却需要受到与高危人群相同的限制。

oscarandjo

A subject of Her Royal Majesty Queen Elizabeth II's Proud Nation

18 points·13 hours ago

How on earth are these people closer together than if they were all in the supermarket? What kind of luxurious supermarkets do you go to?

这些人在外面怎么可能比他们都在超市里更靠近？ 你去的是什么宇宙豪华超市？

Blackja4

Italy

9 points·13 hours ago

The last part of your post is so stupid. The fact that most of those people will probably be fine even if they get the virus doesn't mean that they won't then spread it to the old or weak that will die because of it. Everyone must stay at home, not only for their own life, but for others too.

你帖子的最后一部分太蠢了。 大多数人可能都会没事，即使他们感染了病毒，但这并不意味着他们不会传播给会因此而死亡的老人的或体质弱的人。 每个人都必须呆在家里，不仅是为了自己的生活，也是为了别人。

CagaTorroni

5 points·13 hours ago

in closer proximity to eachother than they would be in the supermarket.

definitely not. And that's the point.

Plus, what do you do if you are essential worker? (healthcare, public services etc.) Now, you need to add an extra 30 minutes to your day to wait in a queue for groceries.

you have family who are doing home office and can manage to do this during the day, or volunteer delivery services, or you go on your day off, it's not like you have much else to do except sleep anyway.

You are not supposed to go every day to the supermarket, that's extremely irresponsible in these times.

So it's +30 minutes a week, which is non-problematic.

Plus, a significant % of that queuing population has no risk from the virus, or is already immune to it, yet they need to suffer the same restrictions as someone in a high risk category.

nobody has no risk, and to protect those in a high risk category the virus needs to not spread too fast, so even phantomatic safe people are called to the task. Besides, if you're non-risk and fall down or have any medical issue, if the hospital is overloaded you risk dying indirectly because of the coronavirus.

“可能比在超市更让他们彼此接近。”

绝对不会，而且这就是为什么会这么做。

“另外，如果你是那些必不可少没有办法停工的工人，你会怎么做？ （医疗、公共服务等） 现在，你每天需要增加额外的30分钟去排队等待购买杂货。”

你可以让你家在家办公的人白天去做这件事，也可以呼叫志愿者送货服务，或者等你休息一天的时候，反正到时候你除了睡觉也没什么事做了。

“此外，排队人群中有很大一部分没有病毒的风险，或者已经免疫了病毒，然而他们却需要受到与高危人群相同的限制。”

没有人没有风险，这是为了保护那些处于高风险类别的人，病毒需要不能传播得太快，所以即使是表面上安全的人也被隔离。 此外，确认你没有风险，跌伤或有任何医疗问题，不然如果医院负担过重，你也有可能间接死于冠状病毒。

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